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Let's do some real math...

Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:25:23 PM PDT

So a lot of people are talking about how "Obama's Pledged delegate lead isn't that much higher than Hillary's."

Let's see those numbers? Jimmy? (Source Wikipedia)

Pledged Delegates:
Obama:    1192
Clinton:  1035

So what's the big deal? He only has 157 more delegates than her? That's certainly nothing compared to the 4048 delegates available. So why don't we let this thing play out? Let me tell you why. It's because you are comparing it to the number of delegates total, rather than the number of delegates outstanding

Poll

What kind of delegate victory is required tonight for HRC to have a chance?

1%2 votes
5%9 votes
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14%23 votes
45%70 votes
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| 155 votes | Vote | Results

WTF Tweety?

Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 08:01:55 PM PDT

Seriously, Did you guys just see that exchange on MSNBC?

Mathews just grilled the Obama backer in Texas because he couldn't list any of his accomplishments. I was just waiting for him to ask the Hillary supporter. Could she have come up with a Hillary accomplishment? I doubt it. Why does she get a pass, especially considering how she is the one touting all of the solutions she's provided..

It's ridiculous. I sort of like Tweety but this kind of stuff is just to drum up controversy.

Obama and Inclusivity. Is it selling out?

Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:45:47 PM PDT

I've been reading dKos a lot here lately. I've been around longer than 95 percent of other kossaks. I haven't been back since after the 2004 election because it's been a huge echo chamber, but now I feel that I must say something about the general feeling with regards to attacks on Obama's inclusive rhetoric.

People here seem appalled that he'd dare include Republicans.

Republicans who TORTURE?

Republicans who trample on CIVIL RIGHTS?

Republicans who by all means deserve to be BANISHED from all political influence?

Republicans who tried to CHEAT AND STEAL previous elections?

But let me tell you why being inclusive to Republicans is a good idea.

Mississippi a future Blue state?

Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 12:48:26 AM PDT

I am a resident of Mississippi, and I have lived here all of my life, but I noticed something very interesting in the exit polls that bode well not only for the future of progressivism in this state, but also for the rest of the country. A while back Kos posted a map showing the 18-29 segment of the vote showing how the democrats would win handily in that circumstance. But, look at how Mississippi youths voted this time.

Kerry isn't losing in Ohio. the "results" are an apparent test

Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 12:03:34 AM PDT

http://serweb.sos.state.oh.us/Results/RaceSummary.aspx

For some reason Ohio has already posted the results of early voting. I am sure this isn't what they are supposed to do, but somebody please reccomend or do whatever it is you have to do to help get out the word that we are already behind in Ohio, which means we have to GOTV like crazy tomorrow. I mean SERIOUSLY. These aren't polls, they are the actual RESULTS, We have to do everything that we can to put Ohio out of reach because this is SCARY. Early voting in Florida has been a good sign, but we gotta get the word out on this new info. I really hope this info gets out. I saw it on Eschanton in the comments but nobody seems to have caught it.

Wolf is HOT today!

Wed Sep 08, 2004 at 02:26:49 PM PDT

Wolf is tearing down people reguarding Big Time's scare tactics. Biden just ripped him a new one and he just ripped into the Republican talking head now on TV. If anyone else is watcing post your comments here

A simple point to think about for Congressional Elections

Tue Mar 09, 2004 at 02:44:57 PM PDT

  1. There are many Democratic voters in safe districts that would wish to be politically active to take back congress, to the point of donating money to a local congressional campaign.
  2. There are many Democratic cantidates in swing or Republican safe districts that need money to run but never win because the Republican has so much money.
  3. These people before had no way of getting in touch with each other on a massive scale. Only the most minute minority of people would send money to a cantidate half the way across the country to have a chance at winning.

Edwards needs to lighten up

Sat Feb 07, 2004 at 11:23:29 AM PDT

After reading a diary entry a few posts back, I read someone's comment about how reporters don't like to interview him. He's too perfect and never goes off message.

 I have come to the conclusion about what is wrong with John Edwards. In many ways it seems like he comes off too smooth and too perfect.

I think one thing that Edwads needs badly at the moment is to go off message somewhat. Dean did it too much, but Edwards never does it. When he's being interviewed he never breaks the cantidate veneer.

The Problem I Have with Kerry

Fri Feb 06, 2004 at 05:03:29 PM PDT

I will admit that if Kerry gets the nomination, which is everyday closer to reality, is that I won't really be proud of my president. I really wish that I could have a president that I could be proud of. I live in Germany, and I would like, for once, to be able to brag about how great our Government is.

With Kerry in the Oval Office, I won't ever feel that way. With Dean I am sure I would, and with Edwards, who I hope beyond hope gets the nomination, I know I would. He could be the next Kennedy, but it seems like we are passing up on a great opportunity. I sure wish I could help him from here.

Why Kerry has the "most electable" meme

Thu Feb 05, 2004 at 01:40:17 PM PDT

I have been doing a little thinking lately about why, exactly, Kerry has managed to run away with the idea that he is the most electable. As we all remember, Kerry was the presumptive front-runner such a long time ago before we went to war against Iraq. At this point the Republicans were riding high and openly touting President Bush's huge advantage in foreign policy and matter military.

So lets examine this scene here from early February to late May of 2003. The economy, as we already know had been going through tough times and hadn't shown the signs of "improvement" that we are being told now. Bush was considered a shoo-in considering his massive foreign-policy advantage and general acceptance of his actions by the majority of people.

During this period Kerry was prowar as well as many others who later flipped over to anti-war when it appeared that Bush was loosing popularity.

These were the inital appeals of Clark and Kerry. They both had the thick, war hero resume that would be perfect in a lineup against president Bush. However nobody in the beginning really like what they had to say about the economy or special interests, or basically anything non-defense related. Sure the positions were basically democratic, but nothing really caught fire. Dean on the other hand had caught lots of fire. His anti-war rhetoric was what boosted him into the spotlight, but his overall critique of the lackluster democrats in congress is what really, in my opinion, sealed the deal. Dean had the guts, determination, and possibly skill to accomplish what he wanted to do, but in the end he couldn't really package it correctly.

However, I would say that the reason for Kerry's rise in Iowa is the same reason for Dean's fall in Iowa. If Iowa had been a primary it would have been something like dean having come in second I assume. But due to Kerry's experienced team, and Dean's inexperienced team, Kerry was able to take away much of the Gephardt vote. Kucinich's vote helped Edwards make it into 2nd place. That is where we crossed the line. Before Iowa, the choice was Dean or antiDean. One the one hand there was the option of having a political process based on new unwritten rules. On the other hand was the old-fashined way.

Before anyone turns away, let me add that I am no Dean apologist. I don't particularly care that he didn't survive. I am a little peeved by Kerry's electabilty meme, and although I sense that coming from him too, it does worry me.

In many ways, who you support has to have some sort of base level of popularity. Nobody in the mainstream will support Dennis Kucinich or Sharpton, because they know that in the end they'll never win. At the beginning Kerry and Edwards were exactly the same. They just couldn't catch fire. Kerry had some name recognition to work with, but Edwards didn't seem to make any progress despite being a very good speaker.

In Iowa, Dean began to face attack from all sides and there was heavy negative criticism in the media. We all knew that a Dean cantidacy was not going to be normal, and it would be a risky gamble. However, Iowa didn't support Kerry as much as they rejected Dean. Kerry was just the lucky guy to be at the right place at the right time. If Clark had had significant ground operations and hadn't skipped Iowa he would have had just as much chance as Kerry had. Iowans don't really mix with the Coastal deaniacs very well. Especially not those wearing perfect storm beanies! Once Dean was defeated, people realized that it would indeed be a normal year and nobody was going to change the process like Dean had promised before.

Just consider how much support Dean has lost. At least 20 percent in every state. I see there being three types of Dean supporters. Loyal fundementalists, pragmatics, and ex-fundementalists. The fundementalists are still with Dean today, holding out hope. The pragmatics were those that were with dean only because of his relative position because he thought that he could win. This was of course an entire spectrum of belief, from the most pragmatic to the most fundemental, but before Iowa lets consider the Dean campaign to be made entirely of this group. I'll even put myself in this category. Having supported Dean earlier I was probably in the middle. The fundementalits could be considered those who would not vote in November if he wasn't the cantidate. The pragmatics are those who only like him because they think that he can win. Dean has lost about 50 percent of his most pragmatic supporters. If they were so pragmatic as to switch to the strongest horse at some slight press, then it is natural to suggest that they would probably go to the guy with the greatest chance of beating Bush. That man was, by resume and default, John Kerry.

People think that we need a Democrat that is strong on defense, and can give good foreign policy experience because they know that the Republicans will call it as our weakness. Therefore it becomes a self-fulfilling propehcy.

"Well, I think they could all do a good job, but if a good resume sells, then that's what I'll buy" This is the way that support for Kerry builds.

In many ways Dean's cantidacy has helped the democratic party turn into something much more capable of defeating George W Bush next year. At the beginning, Howard Dean's rhetoric against Democrats was the most exciting part of his cantidacy. Because of his influence, his criticisms are now less valid. He brought up the war issue at a time when every criticism of the president had to be preceeded with "I support the war, but on this issue..." Now that the tone has changed, his uniqueness is only by what he was and not what he is now.

There were two ways to attract voters in the primaries. Appear the most electable, or to offer a very attractive, but different vision. Dean did this at the beginning, but he mellowed out to a certain extent, and others moved into his previous territory to some extent.

After Howard Dean told us how dangerous Bush was, we actually started to believe him. In a way, I suppose he should have waited to drop that bomb on the faux-naive media, because once that sunk into the public consciousness, we all of a sudden became so concerned with getting Bush out that we all became very pragmatic. ABB was such a popular sentiment. The basic idea behind Kerry is that since the Democrats own the economic debate anyway, we better have a good veteran to fight on the defense front.

Kerry looks good on paper, but hasn't impressed me in action. He's the sort of cantidate, much like Gore, who is worth less than the sum of his parts. GWB and John Edwards would be the opposite, I suppose. They DON'T look good on paper, but in action they seem to work well.

I think that in our search for a cantidate we are so terrified by the prospect of losing to GWB that we'll field the most well-rounded player that we have. He's good on defense, and he can also, as all democrats can, have the advantage with the economy. "I'm not taking any chances this year, we better win." What we didn't really think about, is that for most people they'll think about terrorism maybe once a month at the most, but for the millions of possible voters, they think about money, or lack of, EVERY SINGLE DAY. Unless Bush can somehow scare people into being afraid of terrorists more often than they are of financial/healthcare problems, it won't matter.

That's why I think that we will have passed a great opportunity if we don't elect John Edwards. He can relate to the voters about the economy better than even Clinton could. He can show empathy better than anyone else out there. Its a question of what people think about the most?

Patriotism or money
Gay rights or jobs
terrorism affecting them, or lack of healtcare coverage affecting them.

These people that worry about these things are democrats, and the ones that we need to vote.  

Kerry can attract these people on a general level like every Democrat can, but John Edwards is stronger on the economy than Kerry's strength on Defense and Economy combined. But its ABB so we want a well-rounder, don't we?


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